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WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Richardson told a group of National Rifle Association members on Friday he was a proud owner of a concealed-carry permit.
Seven declared presidential candidates plus one waiting in the wings were going to talk guns, recreation and Second Amendment rights Friday before a power-house conservative audience gathered at the NRA's "Celebration of American Values" conference being held in Washington.
Richardson, the New Mexico governor and the only Democrat on the roster, sent in a video-taped message noting the apparent conflict of his party affiliation with his support for the National Rifle Association.
"As a western governor, I understand and support the Second Amendment," Richardson said, noting he has previously received an NRA endorsement when running for Congress and the governor's office.
"This position doesn't always make me the most popular guy in the room with certain audiences, but the reality is that New Mexico has an age-old history of hunting, sportsmanship and other lawful shooting activities," Richardson said, adding that not only did he support his state's concealed-carry permit law, but, "I have a permit myself."

But the politicians who were speaking Friday were largely Republicans. Most of the Republican field was scheduled for either live speeches or taped addresses — including Arizona Sen. John McCain, former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, California Rep. Duncan Hunter, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who said this week he will run if his supporters raise $30 million, also was scheduled to speak at the conference later Friday.
Giuliani, who is banking a large part of his campaign on public safety as well as defense of the Second Amendment, told the audience that he would protect the right to bear arms in the way he did as a former federal prosecutor in the Reagan administration and as mayor of New York.
"I'll work to make sure that if somebody commits a crime, they go to prison. If somebody commits a crime with a gun, they'll go to prison for even more time and for mandatory sentences. No plea bargains, no exceptions; you go to jail. That's the way to reduce crime," Giuliani said. "We need to have zero tolerance for crime committed with a gun. After all, it's people that commit crimes, not guns."
Giuliani also said he would appoint "strict constructionist" federal judges who would interpret the law as it's written rather than imposing liberal ideals in their rulings, and applauded the recent ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit that overturned a D.C. law banning most firearms in the home.
"When we appoint a strict constructionist judge, that's what we're appointing. We're appointing someone to interpret what somebody else meant, not to make it up as he or she goes along," Giuliani said.
Thompson, who is facing criticism for campaigning at gun shows, made no bones about his support for the Second Amendment.
"My first trip to New Hampshire after I announced my candidacy, I went to a gun store. When I was in Florida, just last week, I went to a gun show, right before the U.T.-Florida football game. I should have stayed at the gun show," Thompson said to laughter from the audience.
He later faced a question asking him his feelings on gun shows. Saying he had just returned from one, he said, "I enjoy gun shows" and would resist efforts to regulate them.
"I think that they're a part of Americana. I do not know that anybody would be against gun shows. There are various kinds of regulations and proposals that would restrict private citizens who are not professional dealers or anything like that, and place rules on them as they go there. I've always been against that," Thompson said.
McCain, who at times has crossed swords with the NRA, sought to strike a conciliatory tone by pushing his support for constructionist judges, opposition to unfair gun regulations, and cleaning up Washington in general.
"Over the years, we have not agreed on every issue. We had differences over my efforts to standardize the sales procedures at gun shows and to clean up our campaign finance system. I understand and respect your position," McCain said.
"But while we may disagree on the means, we do agree on the need to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and, in light of the number of my colleagues who have been disgraced, are under investigation and are worried about indictment, agree that Washington needs cleaning up. Americans have lost trust in their government and that trust must be restored," he said.
McCain also took aim at Giuliani, describing the former mayor's "devious attempt to bankrupt gun manufacturers" with a lawsuit against them over violent crimes involving guns. A federal court heard arguments on the ongoing lawsuit Friday in New York.
The Arizona senator also mentioned Giuliani's use of the word "extremists" in talking about the NRA.
"My friends, gun owners are not extremists; you are the core of modern America," McCain said. "The Second Amendment is unique in the world and at the core of our constitutional freedoms. It guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject the clear meaning of our founding fathers.
McCain also took a shot at an increasingly popular Republican political target, the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org. The group, "which seems to be calling the shots in the Democratic Party these days, will have more influence on gun control in the Oval Office, not John Dingell," McCain said, referring to the key Michigan Democratic congressman who supports gun rights.
Huckabee and Gingrich were scheduled to deliver remarks later Friday, and Romney was to give a taped message.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

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I haven't kept up with the candidates like I should have, guess I should research them a little more before I make a decision, but there isn't a democrat that I would support, as for the republican candidates...

Well, I know Guliani isn't supportive at all for guns, matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that he is a democrat, but registered republican to mess with people's minds.

I really like Fred Thompson, I think McCain will say whatever helps his cause at the time, and Huckabee just sounds too perfect :wink:

I don't know Ron Paul, I guess I should change my NRA subscription to First Freedom for a while.
 
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The candidates I'm willing to vote for, in order:
1) Ron Paul
2) Fred Thompson
3) Mike Huckabee
4) Mitt Romney
5) Bill Richardson
6) McCain
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6) Giuliani, Osamabama, etc.
7) Hitlery
 

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I have long decided that in modern times at least it's losers that run for president (except ronnie of course) but I will vote anyway as I always do and probably regret it later on as I sometimes do. I will probably support fred, although I really want to like hucklebuck. He was our governor though and there are some things I don't like about him. To be fair though there are things I don't like about all of them.
 

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Well, at least everything his supporters want you to know. I would personally get information on any candidate someplace other than one maintained by their supporters.
 

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Thanks Frenchy, I'll check that out, and Jerry I agree with you, but it is at least a start.
I never believe everything I see or hear, I try to see and hear alot, and then make my own assumptions on stuff like this, but you know what they say about assuming.
 

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I really like Ron Paul's ideas but I dont think he is very realistic in some of the things he proposes. I think my vote will go to Fred Thompson. Ron would get it if he wasnt promising things that I dont believe he can deliver. Abolishing the IRS is a wonderful idea in theroy but in reality our federal government couldnt operate without it. I love the idea of returning to a constitutional government but it would mean taking vast powers away from the feds and giving them back to the states and in this day and age, I dont think it is something that can be accomplished as quickly as Mr. Paul seems to be shooting for.

I could be wrong, only time will tell.
 

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it's early yet

there is still time for the cream to rise to the top. the sad thing is, there is no perfect contender for the position. there has not been since R.R.:notworthy:

maybe i'm a near extinct species, but, i'm tired of having to "settle for" a candidate.
 

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You got that right ****. Well, I don't know about hte extinct species part but the rest anyway.
 

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When the candidates stand on gun issues

GUN CONTROL:
DEMOCRATS:
Clinton: Voted for ban on assault-type weapons and to require background checks at gun shows. Favored leaving gun-makers and dealers open to civil suits. Also, in 2000 supported proposals for a federal requirement for state-issued photo gun licenses, as well as a national registry for handgun sales.

Edwards: Voted as North Carolina senator for ban on assault-type weapons and to require background checks at gun shows.

Obama: Voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to suit. Also, as Illinois state lawmaker, supported ban on all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms.

Richardson: Signed into law a bill allowing residents to carry concealed handguns.

REPUBLICANS:
Giuliani: Now says states should decide appropriate gun controls. As New York mayor and Senate prospect in 2000, favored variety of federal controls, including ban on assault-style weapons and waiting period for purchases. Also favored a federal mandate to register handgun owners and require handgun buyers to "demonstrate good moral character and a reason to have the gun."

Huckabee: Supports state laws allowing people to carry concealed weapons and a national "right to carry" law that would require states to recognize concealed weapons permits issued by other states.

McCain: Voted against ban on assault-type weapons, but in favor of requiring background checks at gun shows. Voted to shield gun-makers and dealers from civil suits.

Romney: As governor, supported state's strict gun-control laws and signed into law one of the nation's toughest laws against assault-type weapons. Also supported regulatory changes favored by gun owners and sellers, including setting up appeals process for people denied gun licenses. Previously supported federal ban on assault-type weapons and federal waiting period for purchases.
Thompson: Hostile to many gun control proposals, including mandatory background checks at gun shows. Supported campaign finance changes that gun groups and other activists saw as an infringement of their speech rights.
 

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Red,I agree with you. Ron Paul has a lot of sound ideas,but they're not very realistic.

Thompson would probably get my vote before Huckabee,but Huckabee seems like more of a contender. I guess in the coming months we'll see who pulls ahead. I'd like to vote on principle,but with a close election I don't want to throw my vote away just to make a point.

If Rudy gets the nod,well...we're fubar.
 

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Paul has some good ideas but he's kind of in outer space also. I don't think he has a chance so it's probably moot. He tends to attract some "out there" supporters also. Not all of his supporters are of course, but a good portion of them are. I don't think huck will have a chance later on either.

I voted for perot the first time clinton ran and clinton got elected by a fairly low percentage of the voters. It's pretty well known we perot voters got him eleted. Then again read my lips bush screwed himself out of getting elected again.
 

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I think in hind sight, ALL of us who voted for Perot wish our votes had gone to Mr. Bush. If that had happened, we wouldn't have had a pervert in the White House for 8 years!

We can't let that kind of mistake happen again!!! I truely believe that Fred Thompson will have broad appeal and is the only Republican that can defeat ANY democrat that runs.
 
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