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I'll second the .357sig. I'd rather have a bottleneck cartridge that wouldn't be as punishing as a 10mm.

A commander size would be perfect.
 

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first let me say i'm just trying to understand :thinking:.357sig as it seems to be about equil to a .40s&w

what dont i get???
here are double taps ballistics for the closest bullet weights i could find
i only compare .357sig to 10mm because they are both in what i consider non popular calibers(meaning not every place that sells ammo will stock it and when you find it you pay for it)

.357sig 125gr. Gold Dot JHP

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Drop Windage Lead Time
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (lbs-sec) (inches) (inches) (inches) (sec)
0 1461.8 593.1 0.81 -0.8 0.0 0.0 0.000
25 1376.2 525.7 0.76 -0.0 0.0 0.0 0.053
50 1298.0 467.6 0.72 -0.4 0.0 0.0 0.109
75 1227.5 418.2 0.68 -2.1 0.0 0.0 0.168
100 1165.0 376.7 0.65 -5.2 0.0 0.0 0.231
125 1112.5 343.5 0.62 -10.0 0.0 0.0 0.297
150 1068.0 316.6 0.59 -16.5 0.0 0.0 0.366
175 1029.7 294.3 0.57 -24.9 0.0 0.0 0.438
200 996.6 275.7 0.55 -35.3 0.0 0.0 0.512
225 967.6 259.9 0.54 -47.9 0.0 0.0 0.588
250 942.2 246.4 0.52 -62.9 0.0 0.0 0.667
275 918.8 234.3 0.51 -80.3 0.0 0.0 0.747
300 897.0 223.3 0.50 -100.3 0.0 0.0 0.830
325 876.5 213.2 0.49 -123.0 0.0 0.0 0.914
350 857.1 203.9 0.48 -148.5 0.0 0.0 1.001
375 838.7 195.2 0.47 -177.0 0.0 0.0 1.090
400 821.2 187.2 0.46 -208.5 0.0 0.0 1.180
425 804.5 179.6 0.45 -243.3 0.0 0.0 1.272
450 788.5 172.6 0.44 -281.5 0.0 0.0 1.367
475 773.1 165.9 0.43 -323.1 0.0 0.0 1.463
500 758.2 159.6 0.42 -368.4 0.0 0.0 1.561


10mm
The 135gr. JHP from a Glock 20:

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Drop Windage Lead Time
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (lbs-sec) (inches) (inches) (inches) (sec)
0 1610.0 777.0 0.97 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0.000
25 1488.8 664.4 0.89 -0.0 0.0 0.0 0.048
50 1377.5 568.8 0.83 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0.101
75 1278.0 489.6 0.77 -2.1 0.0 0.0 0.157
100 1190.7 425.0 0.71 -5.1 0.0 0.0 0.218
125 1118.8 375.2 0.67 -9.6 0.0 0.0 0.283
150 1060.7 337.2 0.64 -15.8 0.0 0.0 0.352
175 1012.9 307.6 0.61 -24.0 0.0 0.0 0.425
200 973.1 283.8 0.58 -34.3 0.0 0.0 0.500
225 939.4 264.5 0.56 -46.9 0.0 0.0 0.579
250 909.6 248.0 0.55 -61.9 0.0 0.0 0.660
275 882.2 233.3 0.53 -79.6 0.0 0.0 0.744
300 856.9 220.1 0.51 -100.1 0.0 0.0 0.830
325 833.3 208.1 0.50 -123.5 0.0 0.0 0.919
350 811.1 197.2 0.49 -150.0 0.0 0.0 1.010
375 790.2 187.1 0.47 -179.9 0.0 0.0 1.104
400 770.3 177.8 0.46 -213.3 0.0 0.0 1.200
425 751.3 169.2 0.45 -250.3 0.0 0.0 1.299
450 733.1 161.1 0.44 -291.2 0.0 0.0 1.400
475 715.6 153.5 0.43 -336.1 0.0 0.0 1.503
500 698.7 146.3 0.42 -385.3 0.0 0.0 1.610


.40 s&w
.40 S&W 165gr. Gold Dot JHP 4"bbl

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Drop Windage Lead Time
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (lbs-sec) (inches) (inches) (inches) (sec)
0 1208.8 535.3 0.89 -0.8 0.0 0.0 0.000
25 1147.7 482.6 0.84 -0.0 0.0 0.0 0.064
50 1096.6 440.5 0.80 -0.9 0.0 0.0 0.131
75 1053.1 406.3 0.77 -3.6 0.0 0.0 0.200
100 1015.9 378.1 0.74 -8.3 0.0 0.0 0.273
125 983.6 354.4 0.72 -15.1 0.0 0.0 0.348
150 955.5 334.4 0.70 -24.1 0.0 0.0 0.425
175 930.4 317.1 0.68 -35.5 0.0 0.0 0.505
200 907.2 301.5 0.66 -49.4 0.0 0.0 0.587
225 885.4 287.2 0.65 -65.9 0.0 0.0 0.670
250 865.0 274.1 0.63 -85.3 0.0 0.0 0.756
275 845.6 262.0 0.62 -107.5 0.0 0.0 0.844
300 827.3 250.7 0.61 -132.8 0.0 0.0 0.934
325 809.8 240.2 0.59 -161.2 0.0 0.0 1.025
350 793.1 230.4 0.58 -193.0 0.0 0.0 1.119
375 777.0 221.2 0.57 -228.2 0.0 0.0 1.214
400 761.5 212.5 0.56 -267.0 0.0 0.0 1.312
425 746.6 204.2 0.55 -309.6 0.0 0.0 1.412
450 732.2 196.4 0.54 -356.1 0.0 0.0 1.513
475 718.2 189.0 0.53 -406.7 0.0 0.0 1.617
500 704.6 181.9 0.52 -461.4 0.0 0.0 1.722
 

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Yep, that sure is a lot of data.

I like the .357sig because it'll get the job done.

I would use it for CCW, and at those (CQB) distances it would perform just fine.
 

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i have no doubt it would get the job done.i was just wondering why anyone would pay more for ammo,deal with less availibility for not much gain??

i love 10mms and .45acp and always look for new exciting calibers,but in dealing with the 10mm and it's ammo availibility issues/cost i once paid [email protected] rounds in a bind in texas.

i've tryed to stick with more readly availible ammo if the balistics match up
but i definatly will say "because i like .357sig"is good enough for me

pete
 

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Just because.

Who needs a reason for wanting a .357 Sig? I like the idea also. I would assume that any 40 cal. 1911 could be changed over to .357 Sig with just a barrel change:thinking:, if you can get a barrel that is.
Just to be odd, I would like to see a 1911 in 41 Action Express:wavey:.
 

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yep 357 sig barrel is all you would need to change from a 40 bar sto makes a 357 sig barrel not sure who else does
 

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I'll second the .357sig. I'd rather have a bottleneck cartridge that wouldn't be as punishing as a 10mm.

A commander size would be perfect.
My Sig P229 does fine with 357 sig. But I LOVE my Dan Wesson Razorback in 10mm. But if I was just buying a 10mm again, Fusion would have probably been my first choice.
 
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