[Chief-7700]

"At one time military surplus .45 ACP ammunition was imported into the US (hint there not US made) that came in 25 rorund paste Board boxes with a green Lable:

1. What country produced it?
2. What was the bulllet weight?
3. What was the velocity?
4. What was unsual about the bullet construction?

I have no idea what the answer is?

Chief

 

[Chief-7700]

8 views and no attempts or guesses yet!!!!
Chief

 

[AutoMag]

I will take a guess at it. It might be Sellier and Bellot!!

1) Czech Republic in central Europe

2) 230 grain and boxer primed.

3) 853 feet per second and 371 foot pounds

4) Have no idea!!!

 

[Reconvic]

Was it inported from JLD Enterprises

 

[Reconvic]

Webley Mk II revolver cartridge, pure guess

 

[Barry in IN]

My first thought was that of AutoMags- S&B- because of the green label.
But I can't think anything signifigant about it's bullet weight, velocity, etc.

My next thought was GECO's B.A.T. (Blitz Action Trauma) bullet, which fits the odd bullet criteria by having a lighter-than-normal all-copper bullet, and also traveled at high velocity...
But as far as I know, it was only made in 9mm (86 grain bullet @ 1400 fps).

And neither of those are military surplus.
And that military surplus part is making it harder.

Still thinking here...

 

[Reconvic]

Which is really stumping me also Barry lol.

 

[Reconvic]

1. France
2. 200gr
3. 650fps
4. Made out of white flags.

 

[Chief-7700]

More hints: "From Europe, produced after WWII, Saw use in Asia however"
"Okay, one more hint of the country that produced the ammo. It was used in a hot Asian counrty, not one where it got well below freezing"

The following brain twister came from another fourm.
Chief

 

[Snagglepuss]

I'll stick with AutoMag

 

[Reconvic]

In the Nam it must have been used Chief?

 

[Chief-7700]

Vic, That what I have been thinking, however I will have the answer to the question by Friday.
Chief

 

[Reconvic]

I will find it before then watch me lol.

 

[Chief-7700]

More hints:
French
200gr

This question is posted in the Ammo can on the 1911 Forum
Chief

 

[Reconvic]

Sure it was French My search has come up with Aldo Uberti

 

[Chief-7700]

Vic did you goto the 1911 forum and read the thread? If not I will email the link to you.

 

[ZeroTA]

I don't see a problem with putting the link on here,http://1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187038

I gotta admit,I'm completely stumped. I woulda guessed the Hungarian ammo made during the 50's,but I don't know of anything special about it. And I would've been wrong anyway.

 

[Barry in IN]

OK
So, it's a 45 ACP round,
-that was made in France,
-was loaded with a 200 grain bullet,
-with a bullet of unusual construction
-was used in or made for use in Vietnam,
-and was later imported for sale here.
The velocity is another detail in question, but whether it's some special high or low velocity, or just a result of the 200 grain bullet is unkown now.

The thing I keep thinking about is: Why/what/how was it used in Vietnam? I know there were a lot of US arms floating around Vietnam when the French were there in the 50's, most probably coming from China in roundabout ways, where they had been provided to Chinese Nationalists fighting the communists post-WWII.
So maybe it was made for use in Thompsons and 1911s.
But why a 200 grain bullet?
And an unusual construction?

I guess we can try to connect the two (weight and construction), and ASSume it was 200 grains because of it's construction. Tracer and incendiary come to mind first, but they could be made in the standard 230 grain weight I'd think.

 

[Reconvic]

In the Corps we used .45's back then but always used a .230 ball ammo? So it must have been when the French was there before the US. That should help us get it Barry.

 

[Chief-7700]

The anwsers are as follows:
1. France
2. Most ran 210 grains but some were as low as 200 grains
3. 1,150 FPS
4. There was a space between the soft lead core and the jacket, the bullets would expand
5. Bonus answer, the ammo was for the M3 "Grease Gun" we supplied the French ofter WWII