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I need some help from the knowledgeable. I got a itch for an AR. I don't know a thing about them other than I want one. I've been to the normal websites for DPMS, Armalite, Colt, Bushmaster, etc. I know I'm not gonna drop $2K for a Les Baer or Rock River, I just want a good accurate AR. I've seen the prices for some that are in the $1K +/- and thats kinda the price range I'm looking at.

What mods should I get and what else do I need to take into consideration? I'm not looking for flame wars about this one's better than that one. I'm looking for objective experiences and advice. Thanks, Tracy
 

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Colt and Second a Bushmaster for choices thats where my Money would go ..
 

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Tracy, you won't go wrong with any of the AR's you mentioned. I would also put RRA in the list. The main thing I would make sure of is that it has a chromed lined barrel which I believe most do. The rest is just a matter of personal preferrence in what you want such as barrel length, furniture, etc...

Good luck and let us know what you decide on :)
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If you buy a RRA, buy it from an already instock, don't get a dealer to order it for you. I ordered an upper and a lower in February, and still haven't got either. They are supposedly swamped by their contract for the DHS, and DEA. However, if you do go with a RRA, you can get what you want for less than 1K
 

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Get the best AR you can afford.

 

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Great Chart OD i have never seen it
 

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Maybe ill stroll over there one day .. course i dont think ill be buying another Ar-15 anytime soon
 

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Maybe ill stroll over there one day .. course i dont think ill be buying another Ar-15 anytime soon
To me, they are about as addicting as the 1911. :wink:
 

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Howdy,

In order to help you don't mention the primary use for the AR. Whether it will be used strickly for plinking, target, match or hunting. There are many BBL and stock configurations to be considered as well.

For general use I would suggest a 16 inch chrome lined BBL with a 1/9 twist. I would also suggest you not go over a 20" barrel, period IMO.

Do go with a flat top upper receiver you'll be glad you did.

The AR has many many options available. Only you know what you like. All the manufactures you mention are good. Again its mostly who you prefer.

I myself like to tinker. So I pieced mine together. The parts are plentiful and the learning curve is priceless. My preference is Colt, RRA or Bushy.

As mentioned above, when you make a purchase, buy from a "in-stock" dealer otherwise you will be waiting for a long period of time for delivery.
 

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Smith-nut,

Right now it'd be for plinking and playing. I'm not ready to try to compete with it yet since I don't know much about it and don't have enough mags, sling, optic type site, etc. This will be my "learning" experience. I'm not sure (here in NC) what type of hunting is legal w/ a 223 cal. I do want a flat top reciever, a chrome-lined bbl, and a carry handle sites (de-tachable?), collapsable-adjustable stock. Tracy
 

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I would check out the chart my friend OD put up and let that help guide you.
I would give Colt a good look. I have a few Colt ARs and they are excellent rifles. I have a shot a few others and while they were nice they were not Colts.
 

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Gast,

That's cool! WHAT IS THAT SCOPE? Tracy
 
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I have a Bushmaster DCM-XR A2 with a Hogue grip, a MagPul trigger guard and a free floated barrel. I have big hands, and I just could not live without the grip, and the MagPul trigger guard (curved or straight) is awesome. It eliminates the gap at the top of the grip that causes blisters, and it beats the hell out of that crappy plastic one Bushmaster uses. The free floated barrel gives me around 3/4 MOA out of the box. Wonderful rifle for anything 100-600 yards. I also have experience with a friend's RRA set up in the same format. Same accuracy, but some say more reliable. I haven't had problems with either.

However, I get the feeling you're not looking for this kind of rifle, your're looking for a carbine. If I were to get a carbine, it would NO DOUBT be a Smith & Wesson M&P-15T. I'd of course put an Ergo Grip or a MagPul MIAD grip on (do it on the kitchen counter, costs $30) and a MagPul trigger guard, curved and non folding (if you have the right punch you can do it at the counter, $20). I'd also probably get an EoTech 512 and that forward vertical grip that converts into a bipod at the touch of a button, but that's not really relevant. I love the M&P-15T for its reliability and longevity (it can go 20,000 without ONE part being changed or repaired, including springs, without a loss of accuracy or so much as one hiccup, believe me I've seen it firsthand), for its lifetime warranty and for the fact that it comes with a $400 complete set of Knight folding backup sights compatible with EoTech, Trijicon and AimPoint sights, free. If I were to make a major change to the 15T, it would be the addition of a folding MagPul stock that eliminates the nasty little wiggle in the standard folding carbine stock. (Doesn't affect function, just makes you go "Eeeeeeewww!" when you seat it to your shoulder.) The M&P-15T goes for around $1,300, but trust me; if you get a $1,000 gun you're going to spend another $300 turning it into the 15T anyway, it's just inevitable. You may as well buy it as a rifle and get it over with. Then you'll only have to spend $50 on mods. I've put about 1,000 rounds through my buddy's 15T, not a single hiccup. It was an absolute RIOT to shoot, too. I don't see how you can go wrong.

As for the chart above: Sure, there are advantages to having your rifle be mil-spec. You could take a Colt, tie it to your bootstraps and wade through sand, muck and show for ten miles, then shoot it on full auto until you could cook steak on the barrel. But I've seen Colt M4s that couldn't hit the inside of a barn.... from the inside. You may not be able to do that with a Bushmaster, RRA or a S&W, but you'll be able to put rounds on target at 600m. I'm not saying Colts aren't accurate (mainly because Hunter would gut me like a fish), I'm just saying that you could do better in that area, and that if you don't need the main advantage Colt has to offer (reliability in adverse conditions) you may want to get your AR from a company that specializes in something else, such as accuracy.

I'm no expert, so all you AR people feel free to tear my post to shreds, I don't mind. :flame: Hope I helped!
 

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Keep reading good things about Black Rifle Works. GunTests didn't give the S&W M&P 15 a good reveiw, (Don't remember off the top of my head what was wrong) so I kinda put S&W farther down my list, But I'm still open and will re-look into them.

GT also gave a bad reveiw on the StagArms and if I was buying today I'm leaning most toward Stag. Nothing definite yet.

Yea, I'm still leaning towards the $1000 price range but higher is not out of the question. As I learn more about them, I see things that I WILL eventually put on them as funds become available, (but if I get them at purchase time, I won't have to add them later:wink:). Thanks, Tracy
 
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